Varna : The Caste System misinterpreted by the British, and the Nehru/Gandhi infected Indian Education System - Where does it come from?!

This is in response to a question posed by Santhip, in a comment on another post.

This bit actually comes from the section of the Veda dealing with society and people, of which, The Mahabhaaratha is but a small part.

Incidentally, it might interest you that The Mahabhaaratha is also a record of the 10,000 basic characteristics of human beings. Every human being is a combination of thousands of these base factors…

The idea of portraying facts through parables, or real-life examples has long been used in Vedic literature. For instance, the ‘fable’ about Tharakasura is actually a record of a cosmic body, a comet, on its path of direct collision with Bhoomi Devi (The Earth?). Let me clarify that. A-Sura is a term for a being that is NOT-Sura. Sura
meaning ‘enlightened’ or ‘aware’ or even ‘conscious’. So, Thara (Light-emitting cosmic body/Star/Comet)-Ka (Son of)-A (not)-Sura (Enlightened/Good) was actually a cosmic body/being that went against the Principle of The Universe. Ultimately, it fell to one of the entities (Lord Shiva)of the Universal Governance Mechanism to ensure that this ‘Thara’ drunk with power (the purana depicts how the entity received special powers via Lord Brahma) did not destroy the fabric of the Universe.

It is in a similar way, with details such as the exact time (depicted by the positions of heavenly bodies that follow strict mathematical patterns) that the creation of the Himalayas as they're thrown up from under the oceans is described. The time-scale (70 million years ago) matches geological data proved by 'modern' science.

To really appreciate the detail of the narration, one must be adept at Samskrth – the precision of expression in that perfect language is absolute pleasure! Those who don’t know Samskrth are apt to misinterpret it based on Kali-marketed archetypes and concepts - No, I'm not telling anyone here to go and learn Samskrth- I'm merley appreciating the beauty and inherently disambiguous nature of the language...it's so hard to express in Hindi, English, Farsi, Tamizh or any other language concepts originally described in Samskrth, but I'm going to try.

I have seen hundreds of writings where Vidhya is translated as knowledge. Actually, Vidhya is Skill, and Gnyaanam is Knowledge. And these are very different concepts in Samskrth…

Why am I harping on about concepts? Because the answer to your question, Santhip, is a concept…

Like it or not, not everyone is born equal. That said, no one is more fortunate or less fortunate than the other. As humans, we merely tend to perceive it as such. The differences are merely Karmic. By design, and by default, we are all immortal beings, part of the Absolute Being – ||Eashwara:||

Hmmm…if we’re all parts of 1 Absolute being, then how come the population keeps going UP?!?! Eh? Aaahh, Brethren – herein lies the concept of the Absolute. Quick Question: If I have 1 Absolute (Imagine this to be a brick) and I chop it midway, into half, what would I end up with?

Two Semi-Absolutes? Hmmm…possible, except that we’re talking about The Absolute here. Conceptually, the Absolute is Omniscient, Omnipresent. In Samskrth, The Absolute is immortal, is beyond emotion or attachment, has no desire - it has no thoughts or attributers - by nature it is INFINITE, and by definition it has no limits - it is all-encompassing, and is yet so subtle that it is The Unmanifest.

What does this bring to our hypothesis about the Absolute brick cut into 2 equal pieces? That’s right – we would end up with two COMPLETE Absolutes each a complete representation of the Original Absolute from which it was cut.

Get it? The Absolute is The Absolute because whatever you do to it, it CANNOT be altered in any way. Chop it into a hundred, and each bit is complete, and Absolute, as was the whole. And Moreover, they’d all be the same size as the Original Absolute. You can go on cutting it into a Billion Little Absolutes, and the same thing’ll happen. The Billions will represent the Original even to having the same size, and powers, and these Billions will be connected to each other as a Single Whole.

Get the idea? If not, read it again. Imagine the whole thing in terms of bricks.

Remember that by origin, we are all immortal absolutes - only the physical body/mind complex is discarded/manufactured each time for a specific Karmic purpose.

This logic won’t apply to our physical world - the body/mind complex or the 'reality' we see/perceive around us- because the Physical World is Maya. Maya is another principle – most simply described as Illusion, or The Unreal. That’s another post in itself. Remind me later…

Now - back to our System: there is no Beginning or End, in the Christian/Biblical/Kali-marketed sense of the word. It’s an Endless Cycle – like the Symbolic Zero (which comes from Ancient Bhaaratha) which has no starting point or end-point.

There is the Supreme Being. Eashwara. This being is neither male nor female, is neither righteous nor unrighteous, has no spoken expression nor any expression in the form of thought – in other words, this Being has NO Attributes. No definable traits, characteristics or properties. It merely IS – It simply exists as Pure Consciousness.

The only ‘activity’ of this being is its cycle of Sleep and Wakefulness. When the Being wakes up, It unerringly starts a cycle of creation/dissolution.

To fully perceive why The Being does this, The Scripture says that each ‘individual’ consciousness must Karmically attain the level of consciousness of The Being.

Anyways, The Being sets off a chain of events that lead to Creation based on a single Principle on which all Universes are created – Purushaartha (Ladies, this has nothing to do with Masculinity in the Human sense.) Think about it – Universe = Uni + Verse = 1 Single Verse…

The first of these events is a Manifestation of The Being itself – remember, The Being has no presence – it’s pure consciousness itself. Hence – the first Manifestation is MahaaKaali – or the Mother of All Creation – Time - which 'begins' when The Being Awakens. And then, IN MahaaKaali (Time), manifests the First Manifested Being of Creation - The SadaShivam. The SadaShivam is best portrayed as the form many of you already know --> ArdhaNareeEashwaran – which is a form of Lord Shiva half masculine and half feminine –often depicted as Half Lord Shiva, Half Devi Parvathi.

Allow me to paint a better picture…what is Manifestation? Okay – here goes – imagine you’re an all powerful creative being (you are, anyways!). You can create anything you wish (you actually command Maya...! It's true). Let’s say you’re a chocolate freak. So then, you start with the form of the Chocolate in your mental canvas – say, it’s a Guylian (best Belgian chocolate in the world, I swear!!) box full of assorted chocs. Then you add detail to it – the wrapping on the individual chocs, the design of the carton, the font in which the name ‘Guylian’ appears on the carton. Remember, throughout this process, the box of Guylian chocs is just an image, or a thought-wave, on your mental canvas. At the exact moment you finish up ‘painting’ the last bit of detail on your mental image, the actual carton of chocolate appears in front of you – it comes into existence based on the Thought-Picture you’ve created. THAT last bit is called Manifestation.

When the Being wakes up, it stirs up the Energy of MahaaKaali, because consciousness exists only IN time. This is an automatic process. Ergo, MahaaKaali, or Time itself, ‘begins’ whenever The Being wakes up, and ‘ends’ when The Being goes back to sleep. Since The Being wakes up and sleep alternately, MahaaKaali is not absolute, or Real. Only The Being itself is Reality. All else is Maya. Even, Kaalam, or Time, the essence of which is MahaaKaali, is painted by Maya.

So, Manifestation happens in Time.

Okay, now, we have the ArdhaNareeEashwaran manifest, the next step is thus:: Lord Brahma and Lord Vishnu manifest from either side of the ArdhaNareeEashwaran’s torso. Then, Lord Brahma – the Preceptor and Protector of Sacred Knowledge, is entrusted the task of propagating knowledge and all that goes with it. His female counterpart, Devi Saraswathi, is Skill Incarnate. All Skills, be it Java programming, brick-laying, stone masonry, project management or patisserie skills, are gained as her blessing. Knowledge is distinctly different from a Skill. Simply put, that which can be applied as a do-able activity is a skill. But subtle experiences that cannot be applied or are not do-able, but add to a Being’s level of consciousness or Karmic level of Existence, is called Knowledge. Skills earn you Dhanam, (wealth) – and he/she who has earned a skill is a Vidhwan/Vidhushi, but Knowledge earns you Yogam (Karmic points) – and he/she who has earned Knowledge is a Yogi (this word is neither masculine/feminine).

Example: Riding a bicycle is a skill, but insight into the principles that go into the design of the bicycle - Gravity, Levers (pulleys/screws etc.), Momentum, Centers of Gravity, pneumatic pressure properties of air(the tires, remember?) constitutes a level of Knowledge.

Knowledge involves experiencing/knowing concepts whereas skills are something you can gain with practice. Hehehe...a bit of irony- priming your consciousness to look for and imbibe Knowledge is a skill that gets better with practice - practice spanning many lifetimes, of course -- couldn't resist ;o)

Lord Vishnu is entrusted with protecting Dharma, or Righteousness (which is a far more powerful concept than ‘good’ or ‘evil’) and destroying Unrighteousness. His counterpart Devi Lakshmi is Prosperity incarnate. Prosperity includes wealth, but is not dependent on it. Prosperity is the sum total of social and familial blessings. He usually manifests in OUR level of reality as an Avathaar (which is NOT a messiah, a prophet or any such fanciful kind of person - An Avathaar is a concept as vast as any - if anyone's interested, please ask, and I'll post.)

Remember, the Universal laws, such as the laws of Karma or Dharma apply equally to all Manifest Beings due to their manifestation. Karma applies as much to Lord Shiva as it does to you or I. There is NO distinction in the applicability of the Law.

The process continues until an entire array of entities is manifested at various hierarchies for the purpose of Governance. There are entities that manage trees (Yakshas and Yakshis), celestial bodies (Devas and Devis), the Elements (Again, Devas and Devis) and so on forth. In total they number 900 million.

Once all this is done (Phew!!) the epitome of the creative process is manifested – Manushya!! Hooray! Manushya is ‘special’ because it is the only created Being that can ‘use’ its Mind, or control its mind. You see, most Beings have minds. But only Manushya (Manam = Mind, Ooshya = He who can Oosh, err, use/control) can manipulate his world and HIMSELF with his Mind.

Lord Shiva cannot change his Behavior/Nature. Asuras cannot consciously change their nature. Kali/Jesus/Allah/Jehovah cannot be free of hatred and anger, because they are in his nature. Surya Deva cannot change his behavior/nature. Of course, to us it looks like these beings are superior to us – and they really don’t need to change their behavior. True. In the hierarchy of Governance, they are in some ways more responsible than we are. However, the reason we are a central part of the System they govern is not just because we can control our minds AND our nature, or put our minds to work for us, but because we consequently can ‘jump’ the 7 levels between our existence and that of The Being. In other words, we are the ONLY Being in the Universe that can attain Moksha from our existing form/level. ALL other beings MUST go through the Hierarchy one step at a time- unless they have gained special Karmic blessings. For us, it’s a birthright, and is inherent to our very Being's creation.

This is also why we are a favorite target for A-Suras, Bhoothams, Rakshasas and other Demons. We are the masterpiece of Creation. Remember, many Demons exist at various levels of consciousness, and are not Physical Beings like we are, or like Asuras are. Kali (Pronounced Kuh-Li, and distinctly different from Devi Kaali), for instance, the Vedic Being that rules The Kali-Yuga, is a subliminal mental demon, or a thought-demon. The word Kali itself means 'Strife + Dissension'. Many of these demonic beings are capable of physical manifestation, though their ‘bodies’ are not made of the same stuff that ours is. Molecules in their system vibrate at higher Angstrom values, controlled by the beings themselves, and can hence vary in their visibility to us Humans - We cannot do so, but Rishis and many other Beings are capable of doing so by meditating and changing their levels of consciousness. In previous Yugas, Humans could achieve such intermediate levels of consciousness by meditation. Not so in the Kali-Yuga...but again, that's another story. For another post...

Back to our story: Now that we understand where we stand in the heirarchy of Creation, let us understand ourselves a bit more.

As observed before, not all are born equal. Karma exists at three levels – Manasa (thought-based), Vaacha (speech-based), Karmana (deed-based).

In the cyclic system, Lord Brahma has a DAY known as a (Kalpam) and NIGHT (oh well, he's gotta sleep too - you did notice how exhausting creation can be!!). Creation occurs during the Kalpam (Lit. trans. Imagination!). The entire system of creation exists as cycles within cycles – starting with the awakening/sleeping of The Being. The lesser cycles include human lifetimes, the cycles of the moon, the cycles of seasons and the cycles of day/night or sunrise/sunset. And the higher cycles are the days and nights of Lord Brahma - the highest being that of The Being's sleep/wakefulness itself.

Trivia: Did you know that the Lotus is symbolic of cycles within cycles? It's petal-configuration makes it unique in the flower-world. Hence its relevance in many a Vedic Ritual...

Lord Brahma literally ‘dreams’ us into existence. In every Kalpam, there are many Manvantharas, and for each Manvanthara there exists a Manu – the first ‘blueprint’ Manushya (I’m skipping a couple of higher time-cycles to cut down on the complexity).

WE live in the 14^th Manvanthara, I think – I’ll need to refer records – so feel free to correct me. Our Manu is VaiVaswatha-Manu, and of him are descended all of us. Each Manvanthara has a set pattern of Chathur-Yugas etc. which differs from other Manvantharas.

1 Kriya-Yuga + 1 Thretha-Yuga + 1 Dwapara-Yuga + 1 Kali-Yuga = 1 Chathur-Yuga

Everything is cut down by 1/4^th in each successive Yuga starting with the Kriya-Yuga. In other words, in the Thretha-Yuga, Humans are only 3/4^th as capable as they were in the previous Yuga. Lifetimes are also only 3/4^th of what they used to be. And so on. These characteristics fall in the definitions of the natures of Yugas, and I won’t go into much more detail at this point.

To continue, good Ol’ Manu’s successors (US!!) were not very smart, so we’ve Karmically put ourselves in a bad situation – Those beings with the WORST Karma are born in The Kali-Yuga to be tortured by good ol’ Kali himself.

This is a Karmic necessity.

Okay…now, where in all this does the Caste-System fit? Varnas, or ‘types’ are the basic definitions of the Types of Human Beings.

Depending on your specific Karma, you’re born into a ‘faction’ of human society that is characterized by specific traits and aptitudes. In the Kriya Yuga, you were actually born into the right faction as per your Karma. This however changes in later Yugas - A Brahmana's son could be a Kshathriya or a Shudra, for that matter. In later Yugas, there are times when the person's inherent behavior does not match the family that he/she is born in, and the only way to know a person's Varna is to consult his/her horoscope - a traditional Vedic horoscope, thank you.

As for details - Shudras are the faction that cares about where the next meal comes from, with whom their next sensual experience is, and where their shelter is provided. In other words, they are not concerned with their true nature, the well-being of society, concepts of knowledge, or concepts themselves, or the building of the nation/kingdom or the upholding of Dharma.

It’s not that they’re bad, irresponsible etc. They are just as necessary to the society as is Prana (a subtle form of energy in the air we breathe.) - and are not at all the 'lower' class that Max Muller's damning translation of The Veda suggests. Remember, that translation was commissioned by (Lord? bah!) Macaulay to create Division in our perfect society after receiving the go-ahead from the British Govt. A Division that even the Mughals could not bring forth.

It’s just the way they are created as befits their Karma. They are neither superior nor inferior to other creations. Their responsibilities end with their immediate surroundings. They have the same levels of built-in goodness or compassion that a Brahmana or a Kshathriya will have. As a matter of fact, the human trait of compassion may be more pronounced in Shudras due to their natural affinity for attachment. They build families. They build houses. They are the masons, the Thatchu-Shasthris (artisans who build Temples etc.), The Revered Guardians of the Smashaanam (cremation ground) that is frequented by the Ultimate Aghori – Lord Shiva.

Hunters (who were the only people, besides Kshathriyas who killed another form of life for sustenance), famers (who virtually ‘belonged’ to Bhoomi Devi), carpenters, iron-smiths, goldsmiths and so on belong to this very necessary class of the Society. This class consists of the cogs that make the social machine work at its very existential level.

Their existence is to society what food is to life, is what houses are to families, is what the gold Thaali is to the sacred institution of Marriage. They are the ‘Maintainers’ - of everything from the fields to the sanitation system.

Vaishyas are the faction that worries about ‘order’ in the society. They ensure that the grain produced by the Shudra farmer is not wasted, and is stored and distributed as required. They maintain accounts, inventory and balance sheets for the society. They live by The Numbers. They foresee a famine before it occurs. They ensure that every farmer is cared for regardless of his/her input into the social production scale.

They are as compassionate as a human being can be – in other words, they are as kind and as affable as the Shudra. When it comes to their responsibilities, they have a built-in Responsibility-Meter that rings loud when they are neglecting their duties. They revere their responsibilities, and duty is everything do them. They criticize themselves when they are behind in their accounts. They follow rules set by The Vedas for business, barter, and economics. They are the worker-bees who handle the Kings treasury and ensure every faction in the society is spoken for, and equally provided for.

These people are the professionals of the society.

Kshathriyas are the faction that has built-in characteristics to protect and secure the society. They are territorial, aggressive in order to have the right mind-set to defend their territory. They are not the wisest of beings, but are certainly capable in terms of physical prowess, and a love of discipline. They revere The Law. They respect the order of creation. They are devotees of The System. Their lives are governed by duty to the Society, and the strict rules that bind them to those whose security lies in their hands. They are bound to listen to their subjects’ wants and needs. They are bound to lay down their lives for the Land that ‘loves’ The Shudras. The Land that is ‘managed’ by The Vaishyas. They are The Servants of the Land.

They are the fearless Generals, The Valiant Kings and Queens, The Knights in Shining Armor that we all need. They live without fear or insecurity. They are not as attached to their families as are Shudras or Vaishyas. They can live in the harshest of conditions. Kshathriyas whose prowess lies entirely in their skills in battle make up the Army. Those that are capable of following strict codes of behavior and restraint constitute the Kings, Queens and so on.

The Brahmanas are the preceptors. They are the thinkers, the faction that performs Vedic Rituals for the benefit of society. They live by the strictest of rules. They are not allowed to work for a salary or for a benefit. EVERYTHING they do must be in pursuit of Knowledge. It is their quest for knowledge that defines their life. They spend the first waking minutes of their day in ice-cold water at least as high as their waist – offering thanks to Surya Deva for shining the light (symbolic of knowledge) on their land, and for those whom they ‘re responsible. They advise The Kshathriyas on governance strategy, on deeds and Karmas that’ll benefit the society. On curses from Bhoomi Devi, on messages from other entities with regard to natural calamities, with information on Lakshanams (Omens) depicted by Prakrthi and Jyothi (the study of which is known as Jyothishm -Astrology) in the wisdom of The Universe.

The Brahmanas are the Acharyas, the Gurus. They represent the forces of Prakrthi that must be revered by all creation, including humans. They are the humblest of all types – they must eat only food that has been given to them in Daanam (charity) by Vaishyas, Shudras or Kshathriyas.

They are NOT allowed to farm their own food, are NOT allowed to obtain wealth as a salary. They may accept only what is given to them in Daanam (charity.)

They are the Seekers of the Truth, the Jignasus – the upholders of the Vedic Tradition handed to Manu as the ManuSmrthi by Lord Brahma himself. Their entire lives are spent in the pursuit of Knowledge. And it is their responsibility to ensure their Knowledge stands in good stead for The Society as a whole.

They are the least attached of all types. Their levels of detachments are very high, and they are highly objective in their pursuit of knowledge. All else, including their own health and their own families are second to their Karmic pursuit of knowledge.

They are not sad when they lose a brother or a mother, because they know that attachment causes grief, and all emotions for that matter. They are the Tantriks, the Poojaris, the Sadhus, the Munis and the Gnyaanis who connect our society to its creators – Ourselves. Remember, the first truth in The Veda is Aham Brahmasmi – I am The Brahma. This follows from our discussion of the concept of The Absolute.

We are all Absolute – we are all One. This principle is known as Advaitham. We are one with ourselves and with all Creation. This is The Truth. And they inherently know it by design.

While we have different capabilities and inclinations as per our Karmic standing, we are all the same. The Kshathriya CANNOT ill-treat the Vaishya/Brahmana, The Brahmana CANNOT ill-treat a Shudra/Vaishya/Kshathriya. Conversely, The Shudra must not interfere with The Brahmanas’ quest for Knowledge by dirtying the Site of a Yaagam, or by destroying days of hard work by polluting the immediate surroundings of the poor Brahmana.

Brahmanas must spend days, or months, even years preparing their Auras and minds for specific rituals.

The Shudra/Kshathriya/Vaishya must realize that a Brahmana’s life is just as hard as a Shudra’s or a Vaishya’s though it ‘looks’ like Brahmanas are living off others’ hard work. The Brahmana’s ego must be destroyed in order to BEG for a living. Respect the dedication to the pursuit of Knowledge.

It’s not an easy thing to do.

There is no class that is superior or inferior to the other, on a social scale. On a Karmic scale, The Brahmanas are higher than all the other classes – the irony of their existence being that they must BEG the other classes to give them grain for their daily meal.

Their existence is purely for Knowledge. Their lives are not as valuable to them as the attainment of Knowledge is.

And thus are defined the characteristics of the Four PRIMARY Varnas in the society of Manushya.

The Vedas do not discriminate - they define. The Varna system does not discriminate - Karma that pre-defines one's Varna is of one's own doing.

Think about it - discrimination is actually a part of every 'modern' democratic society. When we vote for one political candidate over the other, we are actually discriminating. When your high school scores (VCE in VIC, Oz or SAT in the US, or HSC in India) decide whether you are eligible for Accounting school, Medical school etc, it is plain and simple discrimination.

Discrimination is otherwise known as common-sense, in its most positive form. And Racism, in its most negative (European?) form. In its positive form, it is necessary. Let's face it - not everyone has an aptitude for the rigor of the Medical profession, or the Legal one, for that matter. Not everyone has an aptitude for being a good statesman - of course, not all polticians are born equal...

So why exactly is it wrong to classify people by their basic social inclinations? That's right, it's not.

Untouchability etc. are the result of centuries of mistranslation and propaganda marketing by a machine today known as The Vatican - like it or not, even Protestant, Jacobite, Marthoma, 7th Day Adventist, and Pente Costal bodies are controlled by this vast Political Entity. It has accumulated wealth that is many times the GDP of large global economies. It controls more media than most can imagine.

Untouchability was not existent even when Akbar the Great Pig was slaughtering 'Hindus' left and right for not converting to his bastardized religion. Historical records state so (oh for god's sake, stop referring fake records. Has anyone bothered to read unabridged records by Marco Polo? Or Huein Tsang? C'mon, grow up!!)

Sati was always a voluntary practice. No one EVER forced women to jump in. In some cases, the women actually did it to avoid the insult of being raped by some Muslim or British bastard - oh yes, these fellows loved to 'claim' all the 'available' women. Virgin rapes were as common then as corruption is today. Of course, if the poor virgin was a Hindu, then all the better! A Brahmin's wife was an even better conquest. The best thing was most of these women committed suicide after experiencing the ultimate insult to their existence - yes, they were a race of Honor.

This made things perfect - no traces of the heinous crime...

The Caste and Ethic System was so perfect that it is mentioned in many historic records as the fabric that held Bhaarathic Society so strongly that even the Muslims gave up! There was no point of raping a woman if she'd kill herself afterward -they needed converts, NOT dead women.

||Om Shivaya Namaha|| This post is dedicated to all those Brahmanas who preferred to die before they revealed the locations of sacred texts the church wanted to destroy. It is dedicated to all the Vaishyas, Shudras and Kshathriyas who preferred death with honor than a life as a christian or a muslim. Their blood will speak for itself.

This post is dedicated to those proud and honorable women - virgins, wives, daughters, mothers - who destroyed their bodily temple in honor rather than live disgraced as mistresses of the cowardly muslims or christians who raped them with no shame.

Such is the spirit of The Holy Land we call Bhaaratha. The Bhaaratha can be a Shudra, a Brahmana, a Vaishya or a Kshathriya. It doesn't matter. We all come from a great culture called Bhaaratha - that existed from the western edge of modern Iraq to the eastern island of Bali in Indonesia to what is now called Australia...

Today, the Truth (unabridged Vedic scriptures) is protected by select Brahmanic families - many other records protected by Shudras, Vaishyas, Kshathriyas - valiant and steadfast in their quest. Kali, in his demonic rage, has attacked Bhaaratha with all the weapons he has - christianity, buddhism, islam, capitalism, communal/political riots - and yet, Bhaaratha lives on. This post is dedicated to all the Bhaarathas in this world - wherever they be located. For they are living proof that The Truth alone shall triumph...

Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Santhip for posing this question. For only he who seeks knowledge shall be blessed by Knowledge itself. A true seeker of knowledge is a Jignasu, and he shall attain what he seeks through many lifetimes of penance and devotion to The Truth.

All Ye Indians Clap: Sonia Gandhi is bent on destroying Bharatha/India - Thanks to your votes!

Dramatic heading, eh?

Oh well, from the days she was hanging around London waiting for some desparate rich bastard to hire her services, this Missionary has made her way into the hearts of ignorant, patriotic Indians.

Rajiv Gandhi hired her, got her pregnant (the guy would have been desparate!! or perhaps she used tons of make-up like Madonna, Kylie or the british queen- I swear she looks like a kangaroo's butt- oh forgot - in india, if she's white, she's hot...), and her Italian charm got him to convert to christianity and marry her - they have two wonderful Italian kids - Raoul, and Bianca. Of course, true to Capitalist Catholic theory, these wonderful prodigies were marketed in Bharatha as Rahul and Priyanka...!!

Pure marketing genius, I say. We should have made her a Goddess, in true superstitious style, I think. Hell, why stop there? Perhaps we should have allowed her to convert Tejomahalaya into a catholic church...hehehe - after all, we seem to have no qualms about the Muslims/Islamic Movement converting it into the 'Taj Mahal', apparently built by a terrorist called Shah Jahan. Who cares if it was a Shiva Temple

It doesn't matter that the 'Om' symbol appears all over the damn place. It doesn't matter that P N Oak, the renowned scholar, has been suppressed because his books proved the historic fact - photos, carbon dating results and all. It doesn't matter that to this day, there are sealed parts of the building that allegedly contain original Sacred Symbols that our ancestors had hoped we would save...

Save? No way!! Isn't it easier to let the Muslims call it their symbol of 'love'? Though we've always known that the Central-Asian Muslims who came into the Subcontinent via Parsi (called Persia by the British, and then renamed 'Iran' - which means 'Land of Aryans' - haaahahaaha!!) could barely build a stone wall, much less produce fine architecture that once used to be Tejomahalaya?

Mumtaz Mahal? Mahal is a Samskrth word, by origin, and Parsi's origin lies in Samskrth, as do the origins of all languages. And women were never named such - either in Parsi/Farsi or in Arabic -ask any modern 'Iranian'.

Tejomahalaya was built at least a few hundred years before these bastard Mughals set their filthy feet on The Holy Land. But then who cares?

We proudly carry the flag of carelessness today, as an imported politician who holds an Italian passport (to this day, as do her children) pulls the strings of the Christian/Muslim media....

Oh, sorry, got carried away - actually wanted to draw attention to a couple more facts (hah! Facts?! who cares? We want to wipe out the tradition of our ancestors!!)

1) How many us know that Sati, as it was practiced by The Ancient Vedics, was a purely voluntary act that 'Aryas' or the Noble Ones usually practiced out of free-will? Those who performed such an act were deemed to do so out of what is known as 'love' today...and their deep sorrow earned them not only Karmic points, but also eternal love and companionship with their partner...

2) How many of us know that the 'evil' of dowry filtered into our society from European culture? Traditionally, the family of the groom, or the groom himself had to 'pay' for the honor of escorting his bride from her home...the father of the bride performed what is known as a Kanya-Daanam, (Trans. Giving his Daughter, The Virgin, in charity, out of compassion, to the Groom so that society may flourish and progress - It's a concept...) ?

Thanks to a whole society infected with greed, this practice is now part of a non-existent 'tradition'...bah

3) How many of you know that in 1945, Bhaaratha was the richest country in the world? And that Gandhi ensured that his new state Pakistan got about 90% of the wealth from Bhaaratha?

4) Gandhi started the trend that Sonia and the Media follow to this day. During the Khilafat Movement in Turkey/Central Asia, Islamic Extremists in Malabar KL raped thousands of hot hindu chicks in their attempts at conversion. Hindu men, including priests and acharyas were slaughtered in their thousands because they didn't convert. My family was protected by the Maharaja of Kochi, but up north, no one was around to do so...

When the Vedics/Hindus rose in defense with swords and other primitive weapons, the ever-compassionate Gandhi urged them not to 'propagate violence on our peaceful muslim brothers' and ensured many more were raped, pillaged and slaughtered.

Even the British were humbled by Gandhi's evil genius... and this has been recorded in history.

5) Muslims 'accept' Judaism and Christianity as 'religions' or faiths, as the superstitious like to call them, but us poor Vedics, Hindus, Jains etc. are Kafirs...Gandhi, in spite of converting to Islam, was often referred to as a 'Kafir' by Mohd. Ali Jinnah and the other terrorists.

My friends, you and I are merely Kafirs, or infidels to them. To the Christians, we're Pagans, and the Jews are the heretics...did you know that Christianity was originally an extremist group amongst the Jewish community? And do you want to know what we are to the Jewish? oh ...who cares? After all it's just fashionable to be an Indian and let these animals do whatever they want...

I mean, if you've read Dan Browns book 'The Da Vinci Code', then you should know that all the historic facts he quotes in the book are true...jesus was just a politician according to recorded history. But the powerful Catholic church 'declared' him a 'god' for many reasons...lol.

6) did you know that the VHP and the Bajrang Dal were almost banned by the 'Indian' Government? But every possible Islamic extremist society or Pro-Christian society is not only encouraged, but given free land and finance by the government?

Secular country, eh?

Christians or Muslims can have everything from gangwars to mass rapes scheduled, but if a Hindu is to even consider learning to use a gun, he's a Hindu Militant.

Muslim Militants are of course, 'Terrorists', with no religious affiliation. And Christian terrorists - no one's even heard of them...lol.

Here're a couple of other articles posted elsewhere by some really concerned fellow...

Oh well, who cares? I'm Australian, so it doesn't matter that my motherland Bhaaratha is being ripped apart by the mere ignorance of its Once-Vedic population. Anyways, the pro-christian/muslim media will ensure that ignorance reigns supreme...

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081201153205AAGHurI

http://miniscule-musings.blogspot.com/2008/11/democracy-excellent-mockery-of.html


Oh, and to those smart-asses wondering why I don't come down and solve your problems, remember all this shit happens merely because we, as a culture, consider ourselves inferior thanks to Macaulay's subliminal war on our psyches...but then, that war began long ago with the Mughal invasion - Macaulay only changed the tide in favor of the British.

One thing we surely need is textbooks that state true history, rather than Nehru's pro-muslim version or Max Muller's pro-christian translation of The Veda.

And possibly, someday, we'll stop fighting amongst ourselves...we're all one, ya morons!!!

The Jains're merely partial Vedics. The Buddhists were misled by a documented idiot. The Sikhs're a patriotic people who should be respected for their fearless resistance to foreign invasion - from the days they were the Ranas of Mewar, to the days they converted to Sikhism to save their motherland...

The British forced a lot of these brave warriors to fight at the Iranian border by tricking them into believing that the Iranians were attacking our nation...Sad!!

Actually, the British, funded by the Anglican Church (Iran's a muslim nation, right?), wanted to christianize Iran, steal resources, and add it to their Empire. The man and women of Parsi showed more courage than any other Asian nation in throwing out the British, and to this day, I cry for all the brave Sikhs who died in that ultimate deceit!!

They even felt sorry for having to kill the Sikhs in the army - after all, more than a thousand years ago, wasn't it our great land that gave Parsis unconditional refuge when the Islamic Movement raped the shyte out of Parsi, and made it an Islamic nation?

Original Parsi tradition consists of fire-rituals and a way of life that is uncannily Vedic - read up on Zarathustra's (mis-translated?) works and you'll observe a lot of Vedic stuff there. It all adds up when you remember that as recently as 12,000 years ago, Bhaaratha stretched from the Eastern border of modern Iran to Bali, the only Hindu island in Muslim-infested Indonesia and beyond...Australian Aborigines to this day talk of 'The Dreaming' wherein a Being created the world from thoughts (Maya?) - an uncannily Vedic idea.

Oh, I'm sure you know that the Bali bombings happened only because the Muslim Indonesia (it's the largest muslim nation in the world!!) hates the beautiful people in Bali because they're still Vedic/Hindu and haven't converted.

Let's face it - The Veda does not propagate violent conversion, and with Gandhi's influence, it's essentially become a weapon in the hands of religious extremists - somebody had to get tough and fight it out- and so was created, in defense of our Motherland - Sikhism, by the first Guru..... These valiant people are merely Vedics who chose Karma Yoga - the path of action for Righteousness/Justice.

Hats off to true martyrs like Bhagath Singh (I love the guy!!) and Chandrashekhar Azad. Eastern Bharatha produced some truly glorious visionaries like Subash Chandra Bose.

but we were all let down by the ignorance that helped everyone else make a mockery of our history (did anyone follow the links in a previous post about the fake aryan invasion?)

My ancestors left the MotherLand in 1959 when it was clear that history would be altered, and that the nation would be called 'India'...they could not bear to watch a glorious nation being stripped down.

Oh I wish I could have shot that pig Gandhi at least a couple of decades before poor Godse, a peace-loving Brahmin, forced himself to!!

A lot of dumb-ass folks think that Gandhi cried out 'Haei Raam!!' because he was a devout Vedic/Hindu/Patriot ----> the bald bastard was merely surprised that a timid, peaceful person like Nathuram had turned violent in defense of Bhaaratha...Gandhi had been looking forward to the creation of a pro-muslim government...which Nehru ensured, anyways.

What Gandhi meant was "holy shyte, Ram, you....!!"

Aaah, I wish most of these chaps could read some real history instead of the bullshit they're fed in 'modern' indian schools.

Vande Maatharam!! (P. S. remember that 'Jana Gana Mana' was written as a tribute to the British Monarch in 1929 or so by R Tagore - and Vande Maatharam was made the 'national song' purely to quiet the strong protests against the National 'Anthem' by good ol' Nehru)

Bankim Chandra Chaterjee rocks!!!

And don't forget to vote for Sonia Gandhi...

Aryan Invasion - A Joke of Historic Proportions...

So, Aryans are fair and 'Dravidians' are dark...lol...

I'm of pure descent - my parents are both Vaishya Vellalar Pillais - original Pillais once from Kumbakonam and Thirunelveli...

No history of conversion, no history of submitting to Portuguese, Dutch or British rape threats or murder threats - My ancestors told them to Fuck Off -

However, because the Mlecchas had guns, we had to flee TN, and landed in KL under the protection of The Maharaja of Kochi.

My father is as brown as milk chocolate and has a fantastic complexion, and my mother as as fair as can be, without being the sick clammy and pockmarked pale shade we see in people of English, Irish, Dutch or French descent.

Us kids come in both shades - I'm chocolate, as my woman calls me, and so is one of my sisters. The other sister is fair and brown haired.

My woman is fair and brown-haired - and hails from Iran. Having met me, though, she has by her own choice left behind destructive religion.

She holds dear to herself the ancient Parsi traditions which bear an uncanny resemblance to Vedic practices. These were the philosophies expounded by great thinkers in her ancient land such as Zarathusthra - before the Muslims destroyed her glorious culture.

I, as a Vedic, find that her views and perspectives are so uncannily close to mine that I cannot help but love her for the proud, amazing woman that she is.

We both agree on one thing, though - there never was any Aryan invasion. Long before Persepolis, and long before the Muslims/Christians destroyed our cultures - there was one vast nation known as Bhaaratha.

The history stretches back more than 35,000 years ago.

Please do read some articles that explain why there is no historical or geographical evidence supporting a theory of Aryan invasion...and while you're at it, remember that the word 'Arya' comes from Samskrth, and not Parsi or Arabic or Latin. However, the word 'Hindu' comes from the Arab traders' term for people who lived beyond the River Indu.

http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/aryan-invasion-history.html

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley.html

many cheers, everyone.

Is Bhaaratha's current policy destroying Vedicism - or Hinduism as they call it...?

Food for thought, people...

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/war_against_hinduism.htm

And when you're reading this, remember that every media communications company in the Holy Land is owned, controlled, or funded by either a Christian brotherhood or an Islamic promotional group.

Re: Madviper on http://troolyunbelievable.blogspot.com/2008/02/aghori-sadhus.html

Hi Madviper,

Your opinion is welcome, and quite interesting, actually. Unfortunately, it looks like you hadn't much of a clue as to what this discussion is about

**i'm not Vedic...**

Well...okay. So...? No forcible conversions here - we're not Muslims or Christians or people from any belief/superstition-system who're programmed to convert or destroy.

****nor do i belive in god...****

Look up the dictionary on the word 'believe', and you may realize that its interchangeable with 'assume/assumption' or 'superstition' or 'faith'. The concept of an old man upstairs trying to save your ass is Adamic (jewish/christian/islamic). It does not exist in the Vedic portrayal. Sin and Salvation do not exist - only errors and remedies do. There is no instillation of guilt or fear by The Veda, as there is by every religion, including Hinduism.
None of us believe in anything. I accept what I can experience on a spiritual scale, and strive to gain knowledge rather than exist in superstition/belief/faith/stupidity.
Historically, everything here is documented – though in many cases the documents are not publicized by governments/religious bodies.
This discussion is not about anyone's superstitions. Belief is strongly looked down upon by most of the people in this discussion - I wonder why you didn't notice that when you read through this page.


**that's just my choice...**

Sure - everyone from those who're suffering in Gaza to the terrorists from Israel who inflict suffering made a choice to have their lives the way they are - this choice was made when they performed actions/deeds and harbored thoughts in previous lives that had the consequences they must live through in their current lives.

This is a phenomenon known as Karma.

tell us something we don't know...

**but saying what other people believe (faith) is rubbish is i think not really a nice thing to do**

Perhaps you should read a jesus' storybook or mohammad's fiction before you comment.

in both these books, it is clearly stated that those who do NOT have superstitious beliefs about jesus or allah are inferiors, infidels and heretics, and must be either converted or punished

Our comments on 'rubbish' are not based on the fact that other people subscribe to the rubbish--** Our discussion has come to a point where superstition/belief/assumptions have been accepted as being inferior to actual conscious experience/knowledge.

Now, tell me - why exactly is it nice for religious texts to tell people that everything that is not in the text is rubbish? or that other people are merely rubbish?

And yes, this is a hallmark of most religions, which is why we denounce religion.

the word 'Veda' means "to know" - and a Vedic, by definition, is he who seeks to know more, and find out by direct (inner) experience.

Have you ever experienced a level of consciousness that allows you to communicate via thought?

Have you ever experienced your true nature (Self?) sans the body/mind complex?

Have you ever tried to find out who you really are or why you're here? what is your purpose?

if you feel you're a random being that came into existence as a result of the weird accident/coincidence known as evolution, then go for it.

If you're into science or physics, I strongly suggest you look up the mathematics involved in Quantum Physics. This level of abstract math comes from the Veda directly. The 'modern' decimal number system you use comes from The Veda, or Bhaaratha, for that matter.

The Veda is a complete documentation of the system which we're a part of, and of which we are actually creators - strangely enough, Quantum Physics states the same today.

**but all this talk of spiritual enlightenment does is it make my life better in the short run**

Only you can change your Karma, which we've already discussed. no blog can do that for you. Wanting to seek the Truth/Yourself is a good start, though.

**people started fighting amongst themselves.. abusing each other...showing that we as humans have to screw up everything**

Such is the nature of Humans in the Kali Yuga - when Kali is in control. Kali works at a subliminal level you may not understand. He's not a monster or a vampire - he's a thought demon - Yes, thoughts change the world - Quantum Physics again re-stating what is in The Veda.

**they are not Gandhi and Nehru because they were muslims they were normal men who shaped India's destiny ((unlike us)) respect them for that**

Lol..this one's hilarious, actually. Okay, you go ahead and respect Gandhi for destroying the social and economic fabric of Bhaaratha - of Bharat/India, as it's fashionably known nowadays.

Also respect Nehru for raping and pillaging countless mothers and daughters and communities just because they weren't muslims. Have you read the memoirs one of Nehru's men released a few years ago? If not, at least take the pain to go through files in various government archives.

Also, while you're respecting them for what they did, perhaps you can explain why an Italian passport holder controls a powerful political party?

Explain why two anti-Bharatic christians christened in Italy as Raoul and Bianca are known as Rahu and Priyanka in india.

Explain why the world's richest economy/nation in 1945 suddenly turned into a madhouse of religious terrorism in 1948.

Explain why MK Gandhi chose to fund the creation of a Muslim state that originally included most of modern india with the equivalent of USD 1 trillion in 1947.

Explain why Gandhi emphatically insisted the British leave Bharat without solving the religious issues though he was clearly told that riots would ensue.

Explain why people like you - the common man in India - is so unaware of what actually happened, and instead read an Iran-supported version of history where there is an Aryan invasion (though this has never been proven) that Nehru marketed in his damning book - the discovery of India...lol.

Explain why the entire Media industry in 'india' is owned, controlled and funded by Christian or Muslim bodies from EU and the Middle East....and explain why only acts of violence on Muslims/Christians are ever published.

Have you ever seen an article that says anything bad about the Christians/Muslims? Ever wonder why...?

**How about poverty, greed, genocide... these are the problems that plague my mind... not the eternal death or the journey after that**

In 1825 Lord Macaulay told the british parliament (you can verify this if you go to the UK and access parliamentary minutes that record meetings/sessions) "I have traveled the length and breadth of this vast land, and have not seen a beggar, a thief, or a woman disrespected. Even though the barbarians from Central Asia (Mughals) have raped countless native women for conversion-and slaughtered their sons/husbands, many proud natives have chosen death over conversion- they know no fear. I have never seen a braver or more powerful peoples. The only way we can conquer this nation is to destroy its greatest heritage - it's spiritual backbone, and show the natives that everything we have is superior to what they have... "

Good old Macaulay was merely copying tactics he'd learned from the Mughal rulers who bragged of their conquests to him. Muslims and Christians have been systematically doing this for centuries - go and read some history.

800 years ago, when Marco Polo traveled the globe (and he took noodles from china to italy to create Pasta, coffee from Arabia to Italy!!) he said of what is now known as Kerala in Bharat - "... this is a land of bounty - there are diamonds in the fields and there is gold in the river, but no one cares- these people are rich and prosporous - there is enough food for everyone, women walk with their heads held high and are respected throughout the land, the people are free to make opinions, and the Kings make decisions based on peoples' preferences...."

He said many more unbelievable things about the rest of Bharat that you may be interested in reading.

My point is, to see solutions to the problems that plague your mind, it may be a good idea to seek the origin/root of those problems.

one root cause would be ignorance.

My 'rules' on comments - from http://troolyunbelievable.blogspot.com/2008/02/aghori-sadhus.html

When expressing anything, or making a point in a discussion, unless the point is made correctly, there is always the issue of ambiguity.

We try to avoid this by making a statement as precise as possible in order that it not be interpreted wrong.

In our discussion, we have already crossed a point where we have concluded that belief is not what we are after. We only make points about things we KNOW for sure - by inner experience or otherwise irrefutable proof. So it doensn't matter what any of us believe, we're after the Truth, which by definition, is unaffected by anyone's superstitions/beliefs.

I can accept "I feel so-and-so..." Or "I have personally experienced so-and-so as a consequence of such-and-such occurrence... Or "I think this because it follows as either an implication of or a conclusion from 1) Premise A and 2) Premise B..."

Anyone can - make a sensible statement for purposes of discussion...unless of course, you don't want your comment to make any sense.

'Ahankara:' Hmmm. I suggest you look up the origin of this word in Samskrith. Abusing anyone for any reason, be it their ignorance or their behaviour or their culture, is not a good thing. But there are more accurate words to describe such actions/attitudes.

It is inevitable that when one person is offended, he/she will resort to abuse. We try to work around such differences by bringing back the focus of the discussion to The Truth we seek.

I do not condone swearing, personally, but it's a free world, and I do not personally swear as far as possible.

If you know anyone who's had a personal encounter with an Aghori, please invite them to share their experience.

Language is an issue, as incorrect statements lead to ambiguity - and ambiguity is the essence of lies or fiction. The Truth, by definition, cannot be ambiguous.

So, while we appreciate all input, someone in this group would definitely try to disambiguate an otherwise ambiguous statement.

Ambiguity deters the accuracy of a description - be it the description of a concept, or of an experience.

Once we clear up any ambiguity, then we are free of the mess that words tend to create.

The other option is telepathy, but that mode of communication is gone with the ancients, and is available only to select people.

Again, I'd love to start up such a pure mode of communication wherever possible.

Anyone and everyone who says anything about anything is requested to make valid points, as opposed to making vague statements.

I look forward to reading what you have to say...

On Maya - from my comments on http://troolyunbelievable.blogspot.com/2008/02/aghori-sadhus.html?ext-ref=comm-sub-email

Remember, we live in Maya - and the nature of Maya is such that our thoughts/vibes/chants are powerful enough to effect changes Maya. Such is the power of the Human mind/aura.

Of course, subjectivity and individuality is all about people having their own version of the lie or the truth or something in between.

The Truth, however, is an entity in its own right. It exists regardless of anyone's personal outlook or perception.

Hence the ancient vedic excerpt - "Sathyam Aeva Jayathey, Naan Hrutham"

which means 'Truth alone shall win, NOT untruth'

And no, I do not have any books etc. I travelled the Holy Land of Bhaaratha - and the land is so powerful that you can feel the power of its knowledge.

It's hard to put in words. However, if you could go to The Holy Land and spend some time in areas considered holy by the wise, you would, I think 'absorb' a lot.

None of us think Aghorism is an invalid form of divine expression, I think.

The Original Aghori is Lord Shiva himself.

I think a previous participant Ristopaunche/Anonymous merely made a lot of mistakes. While the Samskrth words he used were actually correct, his translations in English were entirely off the mark. and he just kept making silly remarks-like this statement:

"Hence isolated definition in between vedic and hindu is just not possible."

You see, the word 'hindu' is not from any of the Bhaarathic languages, and it never occurs anywhere in The Veda. It was the term used by ignorant Arab traders to refer to the vast culture beyond the River Indu.

The Veda was not put in writing anywhere near the River Indu or the adjoining valley a couple of thousand years ago --- and there never was any Aryan invasion from outside. Aryans are a class of people within Bhaaratha who have existed for as long as the land itself.

It was first put in writing by none other than Veda Vyasa and Lord Ganesha together in the area currently known as Uttarakhand. And this occured at the end of the previous Yuga-more than 7000 years ago. Till then, such knowledge was passed on from mind to mind.

Anyways, my whole point is, all you need to do is go to Bhaaratha, and absorb the knowledge, for it is the land of true knowledge.

snippets of another comment from http://troolyunbelievable.blogspot.com/2008/02/aghori-sadhus.html

Misinterpretation is the reason Bhaaratha is now called 'India' and the reason the country has a national anthem dedicated to a british monarch.

A moment of Self-Experience wherein one experiences one's true nature - the nature of the Universal Being, or Lord Shiva is known as AparokshaAnubhoothi in The Veda. This Self-Experience occurs only when belief/superstition/faith is replaced by Knowledge.

I don't know which part of my message pertained to everyone writing their own Shastra (and no, there is no adequate word in English to translate this to - it's a Vedic concept and cannot be expressed in most languages)

If you've ever studied The Veda (original scripture located in some places like Kaladi etc.), then you'll know that the very word 'Veda' means 'To know'. I wonder why belief even comes into the picture.

The Veda charts out the documentation of the complete system we exist in. Bhakthi is not 'belief' - its closest translation in English is 'Devotion' and devotion involves 'knowing' the entity (Lord Shiva/Lord Vishu etc.) you're devoting your consciousness to.

The word 'Hindu' is Arabic, and I would never lower myself to a level where I'd have to refer to myself as such. A follower of The Veda is a Vedic, not a 'hindu'.

I never mentioned anything about everyone writing their own Shastras - lol, but going by your very mention of perception being subjective "We are all unique, consequently our experiences are also unique. We all call sour to the taste of lemon in word but what one experience in taste of sour might be different with other." it follows that you cannot perceive Eashwara/Lord Shiva the way I do, or vice versa - and that's what I was talking to Searcher about. What I suggested he/she do was to go out there and experience Aghorism for himself/herself rather than going with popular opinion. I don't know what you interpreted that as - because obviously, you're trying to make some point that is very very unclear.

The Veda charts the path to Knowledge. But Knowledge itself comes from within you...and this is explicitly mentioned in The Veda.

The Veda is not someone else's perception - it was scripted and maintained by Lord Brahma himself.

No energy can turn bad to good - Righteousness and Unrighteousness are two different phenomena described in The Veda, and I really don't understand what you're trying to say.

Bhakthi is not belief- by Vedic definition anyway, and belief is not a quality glorified by any part of The Veda. The Veda encourages one to Know, rather than assume/presume/believe or have faith.

Everything I've stated is from The Veda. Aghorism did not start with Guru Kinaram - that is someone's version of history - just like the Aryan invasion and The Veda being about 5000 years old (it's actually closer to 50,000 yrs in this ChathurYuga). Aghorism descends from The Veda - with Lord Shiva himself traveling the path.

my comment from http://troolyunbelievable.blogspot.com/2008/02/aghori-sadhus.html

In your message, you use say 'I was informed...' - the question is who or what gave you this information and how reliable is it?

I mean, if it were as unreliable as Nehru's famous blasphemy 'Discovery of India' where he markets the theory of 'Aryan' invasion, then perhaps this question is best ignored.

On the same lines, what guarantee do you have that anyone on this forum is 'filling' you in with the right information?

None. If you really want answers, you'll have to find them on your own - or have a bullet-proof source that you can trust.

Having said this, ristopaunche/Anonymous, just want to add a couple of corrections to your account --- more in the interests of describing an awesome concept correctly than for the sake of correcting your language.

What you have posted is absolute gold - but here are the corrections, anyways:

1. Eating flesh does NOT constitute cannbalism. It is when a species resorts to eating members of its own species that the practice qualifies as Cannbalism.

2. 'Flesh' refers to the stuff in any living being's body, and meat is generally the flesh of a mammal when it's used for food etc. Poultry is the flesh of fowl or game used for food.


3. 'Bali Siddhantha' would translate to 'Principle of Sacrifice' - not Principal.

4. 'Aghorism prepare Aghor for the world after death' - I get the meaning of this sentence, but suggest that it be laid out thus::

"Aghorism goes towards expanding the practitioner's consciousness to take in what is perceivable AFTER the physical body has expired in its use."

Why? well, the world itself doesn't change after death - remember that death is merely the inhabitant leaving a physical body upon that body's Karmic expiry-date. And so, it would be the consciousness of the inhabitant in concern that changes. And it is this expansion or change in consciousness, I think, that you refer to.

Even as we live, many other beings live around us, in the same space - however, due to limitations of our senses, we are unable to perceive them. Methods like Kirilian photography may or may not reveal objects that are NOT perceived by humans- depending on what your choose to think about such techniques.

Regardless, bodily death frees up the consciousness as it is no longer confined to the Body-Mind-Intellect complex - and many humans are simply not prepared for what they 'see' - especially after being programmed with ridiculous post-death concepts put across in books like the bible, koran or torah/talmud.

And it's certainly a good idea to be prepard for this paradigm shift in perception, as Anonymous/ristopaunche suggests.

Searcher, if you read above, you'll notice a discussion on belief vs. knowledge, and that is possibly the best way to portray why it's never a good idea to live on someone else's description of life. Instead, it pays to perceive things yourself- as suggested by The Veda.

Many cheers.

Aghoris ain't scary...unless you're a missionary ;)

A-ghori, in Samskrith means 'That which is not terrifying/scary/revolting' ---of course, it's hard to find the right English word for 'Ghor', but 'A' as a prefix certainly refers to 'that which is NOT'.

A true Aghori would not believe (to believe is to live in an assumption, by etymology) ---he would either know, or put himself on the path to knowledge.

Knowledge and Belief are diagonally opposite concepts. If you KNOW, you do not have to go down to the level of belief/faith. But when you don't know a damn shit, then you believe, and yak on about faith.

the Aghori 'knows' that there is NOTHING in this world that is dirty, scary or terrifying- only human perception makes it so, as all of creation is as beautiful as Lord Shiva --"Sathyam Shivam Sundaram" --though Lord Shiva himself sometimes lives like an Aghori, in cemetaries, smeared with crematory ash and holding the odd skull or two, in TRUTH, he is beautiful, as is all creation rendered by him.

Bhakthi, a system of Karma documented in The Veda, is not Faith/Belief. but that is yet another topic, beyond the scope of this note - which was intended to correct your version of the meaning of the word 'Aghori'.

Also remember, while the Aghori can perceive more than the average man, every average man has the same potential, but his consciousness is weighed down by his Karma.

Aghoris do NOT move 'everywhere by air'. Their consciousnesses are freer to move around in creation, given that their Karmic standing is a lot better than many others'.

The word 'pray' has its etymos in 'Prachhathi' in Samskrith, which means 'to ask'...so every time you ask of them, they perceive your query with their unhindered consciousnesses and you feel the response.

Stop being like a silly missionary who thinks that his/her 'belief' or 'faith' has moved a mountain. Realize that we were built powerful, by the best builder of them all - and our minds hold immense power beyond belief.

Know who you are, and where you come from.

I salute the Aghoris in their quest, and in their steadfast vision of The Truth.

Digestion and the Truth...

The Truth is never easy to digest - either as a concept or as an everyday entity in conversation, programmed by Kali/Jesus/Allah as we are in this Kali-Yuga.

Neither is the path that leads to Truth.

It's easier to think that someone'll pop out of the sky and save your ass if you lick his, or that 'belief' and all that'll stop you from going to 'hell' or some other random conceptual destination.

It's harder to take responsibility for your own thoughts, words and actions.

Religion offers the former, and Truth offers the latter. Take your pick.

And on this note, I must quote a white bloke who never found Truth, but realized what the right approach in the Kali-Yuga was:

"You know what people should do? Tell the truth, in writing and fiction, the real sincere truth, the truth that hurts - make sure it hurts to say it - and the illusions will drop away. And life without illusions is both frightening and exhilarating."
- John Shirley

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