Re: Madviper on http://troolyunbelievable.blogspot.com/2008/02/aghori-sadhus.html

Hi Madviper,

Your opinion is welcome, and quite interesting, actually. Unfortunately, it looks like you hadn't much of a clue as to what this discussion is about

**i'm not Vedic...**

Well...okay. So...? No forcible conversions here - we're not Muslims or Christians or people from any belief/superstition-system who're programmed to convert or destroy.

****nor do i belive in god...****

Look up the dictionary on the word 'believe', and you may realize that its interchangeable with 'assume/assumption' or 'superstition' or 'faith'. The concept of an old man upstairs trying to save your ass is Adamic (jewish/christian/islamic). It does not exist in the Vedic portrayal. Sin and Salvation do not exist - only errors and remedies do. There is no instillation of guilt or fear by The Veda, as there is by every religion, including Hinduism.
None of us believe in anything. I accept what I can experience on a spiritual scale, and strive to gain knowledge rather than exist in superstition/belief/faith/stupidity.
Historically, everything here is documented – though in many cases the documents are not publicized by governments/religious bodies.
This discussion is not about anyone's superstitions. Belief is strongly looked down upon by most of the people in this discussion - I wonder why you didn't notice that when you read through this page.


**that's just my choice...**

Sure - everyone from those who're suffering in Gaza to the terrorists from Israel who inflict suffering made a choice to have their lives the way they are - this choice was made when they performed actions/deeds and harbored thoughts in previous lives that had the consequences they must live through in their current lives.

This is a phenomenon known as Karma.

tell us something we don't know...

**but saying what other people believe (faith) is rubbish is i think not really a nice thing to do**

Perhaps you should read a jesus' storybook or mohammad's fiction before you comment.

in both these books, it is clearly stated that those who do NOT have superstitious beliefs about jesus or allah are inferiors, infidels and heretics, and must be either converted or punished

Our comments on 'rubbish' are not based on the fact that other people subscribe to the rubbish--** Our discussion has come to a point where superstition/belief/assumptions have been accepted as being inferior to actual conscious experience/knowledge.

Now, tell me - why exactly is it nice for religious texts to tell people that everything that is not in the text is rubbish? or that other people are merely rubbish?

And yes, this is a hallmark of most religions, which is why we denounce religion.

the word 'Veda' means "to know" - and a Vedic, by definition, is he who seeks to know more, and find out by direct (inner) experience.

Have you ever experienced a level of consciousness that allows you to communicate via thought?

Have you ever experienced your true nature (Self?) sans the body/mind complex?

Have you ever tried to find out who you really are or why you're here? what is your purpose?

if you feel you're a random being that came into existence as a result of the weird accident/coincidence known as evolution, then go for it.

If you're into science or physics, I strongly suggest you look up the mathematics involved in Quantum Physics. This level of abstract math comes from the Veda directly. The 'modern' decimal number system you use comes from The Veda, or Bhaaratha, for that matter.

The Veda is a complete documentation of the system which we're a part of, and of which we are actually creators - strangely enough, Quantum Physics states the same today.

**but all this talk of spiritual enlightenment does is it make my life better in the short run**

Only you can change your Karma, which we've already discussed. no blog can do that for you. Wanting to seek the Truth/Yourself is a good start, though.

**people started fighting amongst themselves.. abusing each other...showing that we as humans have to screw up everything**

Such is the nature of Humans in the Kali Yuga - when Kali is in control. Kali works at a subliminal level you may not understand. He's not a monster or a vampire - he's a thought demon - Yes, thoughts change the world - Quantum Physics again re-stating what is in The Veda.

**they are not Gandhi and Nehru because they were muslims they were normal men who shaped India's destiny ((unlike us)) respect them for that**

Lol..this one's hilarious, actually. Okay, you go ahead and respect Gandhi for destroying the social and economic fabric of Bhaaratha - of Bharat/India, as it's fashionably known nowadays.

Also respect Nehru for raping and pillaging countless mothers and daughters and communities just because they weren't muslims. Have you read the memoirs one of Nehru's men released a few years ago? If not, at least take the pain to go through files in various government archives.

Also, while you're respecting them for what they did, perhaps you can explain why an Italian passport holder controls a powerful political party?

Explain why two anti-Bharatic christians christened in Italy as Raoul and Bianca are known as Rahu and Priyanka in india.

Explain why the world's richest economy/nation in 1945 suddenly turned into a madhouse of religious terrorism in 1948.

Explain why MK Gandhi chose to fund the creation of a Muslim state that originally included most of modern india with the equivalent of USD 1 trillion in 1947.

Explain why Gandhi emphatically insisted the British leave Bharat without solving the religious issues though he was clearly told that riots would ensue.

Explain why people like you - the common man in India - is so unaware of what actually happened, and instead read an Iran-supported version of history where there is an Aryan invasion (though this has never been proven) that Nehru marketed in his damning book - the discovery of India...lol.

Explain why the entire Media industry in 'india' is owned, controlled and funded by Christian or Muslim bodies from EU and the Middle East....and explain why only acts of violence on Muslims/Christians are ever published.

Have you ever seen an article that says anything bad about the Christians/Muslims? Ever wonder why...?

**How about poverty, greed, genocide... these are the problems that plague my mind... not the eternal death or the journey after that**

In 1825 Lord Macaulay told the british parliament (you can verify this if you go to the UK and access parliamentary minutes that record meetings/sessions) "I have traveled the length and breadth of this vast land, and have not seen a beggar, a thief, or a woman disrespected. Even though the barbarians from Central Asia (Mughals) have raped countless native women for conversion-and slaughtered their sons/husbands, many proud natives have chosen death over conversion- they know no fear. I have never seen a braver or more powerful peoples. The only way we can conquer this nation is to destroy its greatest heritage - it's spiritual backbone, and show the natives that everything we have is superior to what they have... "

Good old Macaulay was merely copying tactics he'd learned from the Mughal rulers who bragged of their conquests to him. Muslims and Christians have been systematically doing this for centuries - go and read some history.

800 years ago, when Marco Polo traveled the globe (and he took noodles from china to italy to create Pasta, coffee from Arabia to Italy!!) he said of what is now known as Kerala in Bharat - "... this is a land of bounty - there are diamonds in the fields and there is gold in the river, but no one cares- these people are rich and prosporous - there is enough food for everyone, women walk with their heads held high and are respected throughout the land, the people are free to make opinions, and the Kings make decisions based on peoples' preferences...."

He said many more unbelievable things about the rest of Bharat that you may be interested in reading.

My point is, to see solutions to the problems that plague your mind, it may be a good idea to seek the origin/root of those problems.

one root cause would be ignorance.